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Caleb Ferrari's seminar on The Bloody Chamber

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Our 'The Bloody Chamber' seminar will take place here. To join, just type into the discussion where and when appropriate.

Some preliminary reading:

From Fred Botting, Gothic (Routledge, 1996):
• Gothic literature is “a writing of excess”
• “Gothic writing remains fascinated by objects and practices that are constructed as negative, irrational, immoral and fantastic”
• “Tortuous, fragmented narratives relating mysterious incidents, horrible images and life-threatening pursuits”
• “Spectres, monsters, demons, corpses, skeletons, evil aristocrats, monks and nuns, fainting heroines and bandits”; “scientists, fathers, husbands, madmen, criminals and the monstrous double”
• “Gothic landscapes are desolate, alienating and full of menace”
• The haunting of the present by the past – the return of superstition, fear, and barbarism
• “imagination and emotional effects exceed reason”
• “Passion, excitement and sensation transgress social proprieties and moral laws”
• “Ambivalence and uncertainty obscure single meaning”
• “Gothic produced emotional effects on its readers rather than developing a rational or properly cultivated response”
• “subverting the mores and manners on which good social behaviour rested”
• “upset domestic sensibilities as well as sexual propriety”
• “Uncertainties about the nature of power, law, society, family and sexuality”

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On the nature of The Gothic

“For the Gothic effect to be attained, a tale should combine a fearful sense of inheritance in time with a claustrophobic sense of enclosure in space, these two dimensions reinforcing one another to produce an impression of sickening descent into disintegration” (Chris Baldick, The Oxford Book of Gothic Tales, p. xix).

“typically a Gothic tale will invoke the tyranny of the past (a family curse, the survival of archaic forms of despotism and of superstition) with such weight as to stifle the hopes of the present (the liberty of the heroine or hero) within the dead-end of physical incarceration (the dungeon, the locked room, or simply the confinements of a family house closing in upon itself)” (Ibid., p. xix).

“Gothic fiction has long been presided over by Ann Radcliffe and her female successors, commonly employing the Radcliffean model of the heroine enclosed in the master’s house: a formula persistently re-worked in the popular variety of women’s fiction still known as the “Gothic romance’, whose descent can be traced back through Daphne du Maurier’s Rebecca and Charlotte Bronté’s Jane Eyre. It is more than likely that this enduring adoption of Gothic fiction by women has to do with the relative failure of modern societies to ensure for women the kind of economic, legal, and personal security that are enjoyed as the post-absolutist rights of man. And if the liberties of women are felt to be more precarious in these public senses, their traditional sphere of the domestic interior will often come to appear less as a refuge than as the most imprisoning space of all, where there may survive the most archaic of tyrannies. As Charlotte Perkins [Gilman’s] tale “The Yellow Wall-Paper’ reminds us, in its combination of personal testimony and feminist fable, the imprisoning house of Gothic fiction has from the very beginning been that of patriarchy’ (Ibid., pp. xxi-xxii).

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DOPPELGANGER:

A recurrent motif in Gothic fiction, the doppelganger or double has both symbolic and psychoanalytical implications. In the case of the former, the duplication or division of a character may serve to emphasize polemically the moral dilemmas or social disparities around which a didactic or cautionary narrative may revolve — for example, the fate of one who resists temptation, as opposed to one who succumbs to it; or, the lifestyle enjoyed by a character born into privilege, set against the parallel experience of another raised in poverty. In psychoanalysis, the motif may emblematize the polarity of the unrestrained id against its ego and superego counterparts. Thus, the doppelganger may become, variously, a figure that enacts taboo desires, a seeker of arcane knowledge, or one who pursues the drive of thanatos rather than that of eros. In both symbolic and psychoanalytical incarnations (though these demarcations are, inevitably, capable of definition as much by the critic as the author), the double may be formed by duplication (where two entities effectively parallel each other’s actions) or division (where a character is split, physically or psychologically, into two alternating personalities). Situations such as disguise, cross dressing, or mistaken identity may also produce contextual implications that are analogous to doubling” (William Hughes, Historical Dictionary of Gothic Literature, p. 86).

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Angela Carter on Gothic Literature

“I'd always been fond of Poe, and Hoffman – Gothic tales, cruel tales, tales of wonder, tales of terror, fabulous narratives that deal directly with the imagery of the unconscious – mirrors; the externalised self; forsaken castles; haunted forests; forbidden sexual objects. […] The Gothic tradition in which Poe writes grandly ignores the value systems of our institutions; it deals entirely with the profane. Its great themes are incest and cannibalism. Character and events are exaggerated beyond reality, to become symbols, ideas, passions. Its style will tend to be ornate, unnatural – and thus operate against the perennial human desire to believe the word as fact. Its only humour is black humour. It retains a singular moral function – that of provoking unease” (Angela Carter, ‘Afterword to Fireworks’).

“I thought that I would indeed write a Gothic novel, a truly Gothic novel, full of dread and glamour and passion. About this time I began to read the surrealists and felt an increasing sense of justification, and what I wrote was a kind of pastiche Gothic novel called Heroes and Villains (after a current Beach Boys number), in which I used the framework to examine some intellectual problems about politics which were beginning to exercise me. Using an absolutely non-naturalistic formula gave me a wonderful sense of freedom. I liked the pictorial, expository nature of Gothic imagery, its ambivalence, and the rhetorical, non-naturalistic use of language” (Angela Carter, ‘Notes on the Gothic Mode’, pp. 132-33).

“The Gothic mode of course is not a high literary one and existed before the bourgeois novel, surviving the high period of the naturalistic novel in the underground of sub-literary form, pulp fiction, confession magazines, and pornography, although always likely to surface unexpectedly in writers with a tendency to hysteria (Dickens, Dostoievsky). With its holocausts, its stereotyped characterization, its ghosts, its concentration on inner life, its rhetorical and conventionalized prose style, it can scarcely pretend to be an imitation of nature; so it cannot disseminate false knowledge of the world. Naturalism in fiction, and in all other art as well, is usually a method of affirming the status quo” (Ibid., p. 133).

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Critics on Carter & The Gothic

“Angela Carter’s writing is fascinated by the macabre and the erotic, the dissolute and the grotesque. Inhabited by vamps and vampires, dandies and decadents, sadistic puppet-masters and disconsolate masochists, her textual landscapes conjure images of desire and deviance which have at once captivated and disquieted readers. One of the most exercising aspects of Carter’s work is that it eludes easy categorisations and unambiguous classifications. Yet, from the spectacles of suffering femininity and highly stylised displays of cruelty in her early novels to the representations of theatricality, illegitimacy and disguise in her later fiction, Gothic appurtenances and acts produce some of the most compelling and unsettling effects of Carter’s work. […] Vampiric, menacing and sly, [Carter’s fictions] are conspicuously Gothic creations, built, like Frankenstein’s creature, from the dusty vestiges of previous literary and cultural forms” (Rebecca Munford, Decadent daughters and monstrous mothers: Angela Carter and the European Gothic, pp. 1-2).

“waxworks, clockwork dolls, dark doubles and automata, uncanny repetitions and phantasmal projections” all appear in Gothic literature (Ibid., p. 110).

“Confusing the boundaries between the animate and the inanimate, the human and the non-human, the automaton serves as an emblem for the Enlightenment’s simultaneous championing of human autonomy and freedom and fascination with the mechanical and the automated” (Ibid., p. 112).

“Brimming with automata, dolls and mannequins, Carter’s writing is inhabited too by a macabre cast of toy-makers, puppet-masters and mad scientists” (Ibid., pp. 112-13).

“A semantic deliberation over the title of the collection reveals its application to female sexuality. ‘Chamber’ carries two differing connotations. On one level, it is a room (usually a bedroom) and therefore suggestive of two related behaviour patterns: the activities of the erotic and the inactivities of sleep. Herein lies the crux of the debate over female sexuality in these stories: are the women active or passive, erotic or inert? The violence inherent in the world ‘bloody’ leads us to expect the chamber to be the location for hideous and violent sexual excess. But what if we read the word ‘chamber’ not as a room, but as a vase or a vessel for carrying liquid? In this case the blood is the liquid with which the vessel is filled (indeed the substance that gives the vase its definition). The associated excesses are those of overspill, not those which threaten containment. In this case it is not the chamber that contains and thus constrains the woman (who then becomes a terrified victim), but the woman herself who takes control as the body of excess” (Lucie Armitt, ‘The Fragile Frames of The Bloody Chamber’, in The Infernal Desires of Angela Carter, eds. Joseph Bristow and Trev Lynn Broughton, pp. 88-99 [pp. 91-92]).

“Carter’s work often uses the strategies of the literary Gothic against itself. Where the Gothic is used to destabilise complacencies but ultimately reinforce obedience and conformity, Carter reinvigorates its characteristics and refuses comfortable endings, leaving readers and characters with a mix of wariness and agency, even if only potentially. The locations and the metaphors are similar, the underlying message quite different” (Gina Wisker, Contemporary Women’s Gothic Fiction, p. 35).

“Her modes of seeing and writing are eclectic and in this she also produces a postmodern Gothic, at once baroque and embellished. It harks back to the traditional forms and concerns of the Gothic, both replaying yet upsetting them, exploring and exposing women’s entrapment, deceits, haunted histories, with layers of reference to those Gothic horror writers who have influenced her: e.g. Poe, Stoker and Le Fanu. Her work queries their resolutions” (Ibid., p. 38).

“Angela Carter revisited, recast and rewrote the Gothic for the late twentieth century, taking a relatively neglected perspective and mode of writing, and turning its tropes inside out, upside down. She undercuts and exposes the constraining myths and cautionary tales behind the familiar Gothic, reappropriating its spaces, tones and tensions from a simultaneously wise and wicked feminist perspective, and utilising an agenda of exposure, explosion of nonsense, and agency. In so doing she revitalises the power of the Gothic to highlight constraining narratives by which we live our lives and express hopes, desires and fears in fictions and film, art and popular culture” (Ibid., p. 39).

“In ‘The Bloody Chamber’, Carter rewrites the Bluebeard tale and critiques romantic fiction, using Gothic spatialised horror, entrapment and reification. It is a favourite, archetypal male control fantasy, which Carter exposes as constructing the wife as commodity, an ornament and feast for the eyes, to be disposed of when she starts to question and query male control of power and knowledge” (Ibid., pp. 50-51).

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Seminar Discussion

Part 1: The Gothic
• How would you define a “Gothic” story?
• What are the typical elements of Gothic stories – e.g. places, characters, scenarios?
• What ideas, issues and values does the Gothic deal with?
• Can you name some Gothic stories, both historical and contemporary?


Part 2: The Bloody Chamber and the Gothic
• Which Gothic settings does Carter employ in her short stories?
• Which Gothic figures or characters does she use?
• What kind of Gothic scenarios appear in her stories?
• Why might Carter have been drawn to the Gothic? What are her stories about and how do the Gothic elements relate to the meanings of her stories?


Part 3: The Bloody Chamber, Transformations and Metamorphosis
• Which characters undergo some kind of transformation or metamorphosis in Carter’s short stories?
• What kinds of transformations is Carter interested in and what are the meanings of such radical changes?
• To what degree are such transformations an inheritance from the fairy tale genre? Can you think of transformations and metamorphoses in fairy tales?
• Why might we, as readers, be interested in stories about change, transformation and metamorphosis? What changes do we undergo in our own lives? What kinds of changes do we desire?

Neil Bowen on


Caleb is having a few difficulties accessing the seminar, so let's make a start... If you're online please just post to say hello.

calebferrari2023 on


Good evening everyone. Thank you for joining this online seminar on Angela Carter's The Bloody Chamber and Other Stories. I'm really looking forward to hearing your thoughts on Carter's brilliant stories!

Neil Bowen on


Hi Caleb!

jopsona25 on


Hi!

Mattea on


Hi :)

calebferrari2023 on


To kick things off, why don't you all say hi and tell me which story you like the most (and why)

Neil Bowen on


Your first question makes me think about different types of The Gothic. I guess the answer would depend on which type you mean.

Tabby.heaselgrave on


Hi!

Neil Bowen on


Okay, I'm going for The Lady of the House of Love because of the male ingenue and female ingenue within the predatory monster.

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I love the Erl-King and the Lady of the House of Love. I think the Erl-King as a character is fascinating and I think the subversion of male and female stereotypes in the Lady of the House of Love is really interesting as well.

calebferrari2023 on


Hard to pick a favourite but I'll go with the Erl King because of the lush imagery

ellieelliea on


Hi :)

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Hi!

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Hi

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Hi!

jopsona25 on


Puss in boots because of how it is written in the perspective of the cat, I find it interesting that we see the story from another's eyes instead of the usual Ingenue

granto26 on


Hi!

Emily on


Hi:)

Thomas Chambers-Bradfield on


hi:)

grantp on


Hello

mikemikea on


Hi!

calebferrari2023 on


Thanks for sharing your favourite stories. Why don't we make a start on our first discussion: the Gothic.

Tell me what you know about the genre, some famous examples of gothic stories, the typical characters, plots and themes.

Freddie Hopper (Developer) on (Edited )


I immediately think of Dracula.

Neil Bowen on (Edited )


Personally, I like Turn of the Screw, as my students are aware.

Usually there's interaction between the human world and something supernatural or other in, err, other ways.

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So sorry, I joined late but I am here!

jopsona25 on


I know about some of the themes you can find in the genre, like religion and the supernatural

Leo Wong on


Thinking of the idea of 'ghost' as a manifestation of 'sexuality' in its spectral form, Gothic can be viewed as an alamgam of the picturesque and the grotesque.

mikemikea on


Frankenstein is my favourite

Rosiew on


Frankenstein (Gothic exmple)

Tabby.heaselgrave on


I love We Have Always Lived in The Castle and The Haunting Of Hill House by Shirley Jackson

calebferrari2023 on (Edited )


Great ideas and examples. We've (so far) got vampires, ghosts, Frankenstein's monster, supernatural, religion, sex, castles and mansions, doubles, the monstrous "other"

jopsona25 on


Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde is an example

Leo Wong on


Emily on


Typical characters include the ingenue and a monstrous 'other' who embodies the irrational.

granto26 on


Themes: supernatural, revenge, religion, breaking societal norms, evil.
Stories: Jane Eyre, The Fall of the House of Usher.

Tabby.heaselgrave on


There’s the idea that the Gothic is a reaction against the Enlightenment and the idea that human reason can overcome everything.

Leo Wong on


Frankenstein --- ghosting

mimilo001 on


hey!

grantp on


I know The Monk is a very famous example of a gothic story. Character-wise I know that there tends to be a supernatural/non-human character who tends to be a predatory figure. There is also normally a victim/s or prey. In terms of themes there is good vs evil, metamorphosis, supernatural, ancient worlds and revenge.

Thomas Chambers-Bradfield on


Theme-Moral ambiguity- Characters that challenge the ideas of what is good and evil

calebferrari2023 on


Is the Gothic genre still relevant, still popular, today? Can you think of contemporary Gothic stories in any media?

drysdalej25 on


Third wave Gothic Salems lot Stephen King reintroduced vampires. Influence from Dracula

Leo Wong on


Maybe the creature in frankenstein is predatorial of itself.

Thomas Chambers-Bradfield on


The new Nosferatu film

adelaize on


A lot of people tend to think the Gothic is coming back, especially in america - an example would be the nosferatu film

Neil Bowen on


Maybe we're in the tail end of the wave that started in the 1970s?

Freddie Hopper (Developer) on (Edited )


There's The Woman in Black, and I heard that someone online had set up a mailing list a few years ago sending out individual chapters of Dracula daily. I think it was quite popular.

granto26 on (Edited )


I think its relevant as it highlights social issues and injustices

Wayland Warner on


Sorry I'm late, I had issues with getting in here.

Leo Wong on (Edited )


In terms of in literature, the Gothic spirit of haunting has been turned fully pleasurable and pleasure-seeking, one might say, in von Reinhold's Lote. Unlike the house setting in Rebecca, the house in the setting is viewed as compartmentalized, yet fully interpretative.

Tabby.heaselgrave on


The twilight series.

Wayland Warner on


Perhaps not the best example of writing.

Tabby.heaselgrave on


The Secret History by Donna Tartt could also be viewed as a gothic/horror novel

Freddie Hopper (Developer) on


I think maybe the Castlevania series (games and anime) would be an example.

mimilo001 on


I also believe that Rebecca has many similar gothic themes like manipulation/ appearance vs reality/ jealousy and sort of have a supernatural element to the story too

calebferrari2023 on


Great examples so far! Yes, it seems that the Gothic is still as popular as ever. The number of TV shows and films, not to mention video games, that are centred around Gothic elements is huge.

Tell me why you think the Gothic speaks to so many people today? Why do we want to watch vampires and zombies and ghosts on telly or in the cinema or to play video games in which we fight against these and other monsters?

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I think, increasingly in Gothic texts, the reader/viewer is invited to see the world from the p.o.v. of the other, thus 'othering' our own societies as a way of exploring social alienation.

Phoebe Hillman on


The Haunting of Hill House by Shirley Jackson

Wayland Warner on


I suppose it stems back to the Jungian nature of hatred, that which we hate is what makes us self conscious of our own faults. Similarly, Jung's philosophy mentions the shadow, or the collection of all our worst qualities that we bury around others. Our worst enemies exemplify aspects of our shadows, Vampires are gluttony and greed, werewolves are our savagery and anger.

Emily on


The Gothic offers a realm for addressing moral issues in a removed way.

Wayland Warner on


By giving us physical bodies for our worst fears to inhabit, it subconsciously reminds us of what we are supposed to do in life and how we must metaphysically confront the worst aspects of ourselves.

Leo Wong on


One of the characteristic of Gothic, I hypothesize, is its ability to resist symbolic reading on its onset.
Psychoanalytical reading requires the assumption that the action/description can be read symbolic, which is not obvious in many such books.
The ability to defy connections render a completely new landscape, a kind of true escapism.

Neil Bowen on (Edited )


Question for Leo Wong: What or who is von Reinhold's Lote?

Leo Wong on


Its a very recent book, of queer black historical metafiction.
https://jacarandabooks.co.uk/products/lote-1?srsltid=AfmBOoo9M0VsSZIQZwi7u1cvc5W2Annu3C0-mpVCkDsz84kiyNmGF-p9

calebferrari2023 on


That's a great point, Emily.

Yes, by creating a story about fantastical creatures and unrealistic scenarios, writers can actually afford to be pretty bold in what they're saying with their story.

Put another way, perhaps it's easier to say something controversial or shocking or unusual if you wrap it up in fantasy - a long time ago in a galaxy far far away, once upon a time, in the distant reaches of space, and so on

Leo Wong on


Would agree with that. I would say Gothic is more powerful than fantasy in that way, because it defies the "principle of minimal departure", a so called principle that reader assumes the fantastic world has to reflect upon the real world.

Wayland Warner on


Similarly, you can make the argument that monsters exist to question the fears of specific moments in history and terrify others for various reasons. I read a theory that vampire culture expands greatly when people start to become more urban and diseases such as rabies and pellagra spread as we come into contact with animals like bats, wolves and foxes as well as decomposing bodies. Rotting corpses famously can look surprisingly alive, with bloated bellies and blood dripping from their mouths. Thus the vampire mythology makes us question our roots and in our modern day it exemplifies how seperated we have become from rot and disease, allergies for instance have only recently become a thing, due to most people living in environments where things are so clean that their bodies never develop immunities to things. The modern Count Orlok would be a great example, being all rotten and corpse like with festering wounds.

Neil Bowen on


What do you think was and is most controversial about Carter's work Caleb?

calebferrari2023 on


Why don't we move the discussion onto Carter and The Bloody Chamber stories.

What are some of the tropes or conventions of the Gothic that you've noticed when reading her stories?

Leo Wong on


Vampires, Monsters, Night, Trees coming to life

ellieelliea on


the ideas of predators/prey comes up a lot

grantp on


Carter uses castles/ancient buildings, isolated settings, and darkness/obscurity in The Bloody Chamber. Character wise, she includes vampires, beasts/animals, wolves and ingenues.

jopsona25 on


Potentially entrapment is a motif in the stories

Thomas Chambers-Bradfield on


Superstition

ellieelliea on


carter also uses/plays with typically sexist, power related tropes

granto26 on


Characters: Ingenue, monster (wolves, vampires) anthropomorphic characters, servants.
Tropes: Romance, darkness, female victims, isolation, supernatural, mystery

Leo Wong on


Also deaths

calebferrari2023 on


Great ideas, everyone!

Yes, Carter draws on and plays with many Gothic tropes, characters, locations, and scenarios. She clearly found it useful to work with these things to tell the kinds of stories she was interested in telling.

As some of you have suggested in this chat, Carter was interested in power: who has power? who doesn't? could a person take power from another? and, crucially, how do things like our gender or sexuality relate to power?

Because this can quickly become abstract, Carter works through these questions and ideas in the form of characters we can identify with or scenarios that fascinate us.

Neil Bowen on


Would you say Carter's stories are political Caleb?

Leo Wong on


Also may Carter (at least the gothic part) unable to escape from gender roles as such because role reversal requires the existence of gender role and the repetition of the evocation of any gender roles would uphold the traditional oppressive values?

calebferrari2023 on


Some of my comments haven't appeared, so apologies if it looks like I'm not here!

Leo Wong on


That is a really interesting prompt also in that in Carter, sometimes it feels like the characters have power, have full control because they are so unexpected/expected. Would a narrator and/or focalizer's power of creation be viewed as taken away?

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Sorry for any downtime, I have been fiddling with the configuration to try and improve the site's performance.

calebferrari2023 on


Thanks for the question, Neil, and the comment, Leo.

Yes, I would say that Carter's stories are political, but it's important to distinguish fiction that is written as propaganda (something like stories written under the USSR, for example) from the fact that all writing is political in a more general sense. Carter thought of all fiction as political, which makes sense if we think about the fact that we all write (and read) from a particular place - education is often about our affluence or lack thereof; and this connects to our gender, our ethnicity, and so on.

To respond to Leo: it's a good question and one that many scholars have debated. Are some things inherently oppressive or limiting? If we repeat them, is it possible to do so in a way that parodies or subverts them? I would say yes. Judith Butler's influential book Gender Trouble discusses the idea of repeating certain roles or gestures in ways that subvert those roles or gestures.

Leo Wong on


Would we say that the evaluation of power is as vague as the evaluation of sexuality in a Butlerian sense?
If sexuality inherently is embodied pleasure then power can be thought of as disembodied, but equally about the excess.

Neil Bowen on


It's a similar line to the one taken by Duncker. i.e. that by using fairy tales Carter cannot help repeat some of the ideological issues inherent within the tales. I don't buy that argument, tbh.

Leo Wong on (Edited )


Thank you for the response Caleb. Would you say that the inherent performative aspect of Gender as mentioned in Butler originate from her phenomenological approach, looking at phenomena, focusing on what it appears to be (in any way of that action), instead of an inherent nature that fuels a fundamentalist logical foundation?

calebferrari2023 on


Just to bring this back to Carter and The Bloody Chamber: some scholars have argued that fairy tales (the genre) is inherently sexist and therefore it doesn't matter how subversive Carter may have wanted to be in writing The Bloody Chamber stories; she cannot escape the sexism.

Other scholars have found flaws in this and related arguments. These arguments turn on the idea that meaning cannot be fixed once and for all.

Think about the phrase "bloody chamber" - does it mean, in terms of Carter's stories, that, say women, are entrapped or imprisoned? It could mean that - think of the dead wives in the Marquis's chamber. But couldn't it also refer to some of the female characters who quite literally have a bloody chamber within them. In other words, this chamber could be a kind of prison but it could also be a vessel. And several of Carter's female characters are not contained - they kill the wolf, or laugh in his face, or break out of society.

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Well, we've gone past an hour and I'd like to say a big thank you to everyone who's contributed and to apologise for any frustrations caused by the tech. That said, a big thanks too to Freddie who has been working behind the scenes to try to keep things working properly. A final thank you to Caleb for giving up his time and sharing his expertise.

Thanks all!

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thank you!!

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Thank you!!

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Thank you :D

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thank you

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Thank you Caleb.

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Thank you Caleb.

Leo Wong on


Maybe the chamber, more general spaces, is referential of the character's own idea of the real world. In other words, the Beauty in the first Marquis's story is not fully trapped because she did not invent the word "bloody chamber herself" but the Marquis does.

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My page did not refresh apologies. Thank you Caleb!

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Apologies if this has appeared twice, but thank you for this seminar!

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Thanks

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Thank you!!

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Thank you!:)

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That's a big question, Leo! Not sure we'll have time to go into enough detail here, but to give you some kind of answer: Butler was clearly strongly influenced by the ideas of Jacques Derrida and deconstruction, though she has written about phenomenology too. One starting point for thinking about her ideas is to consider the gender/sex distinction. Earlier feminists and gender theorists had argued that gender is to culture as sex is to nature. But Butler argues, more or less, that sex was always culture all along. She clarifies this in Bodies that Matter for anyone interested in this. She's interested in questioning assertions about the "truth" of bodies and not just assuming that we just know what a body is. Much like Michel Foucault, she scrutinises the institutional claims about bodies and how we supposedly know what they are. I better stop here or this could drag on for too long!

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Just seen lots of posts! Thank you, Neil, for inviting me for this discussion. Thank you to everyone for coming tonight and participating in the discussion. I hope you found it interesting.

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